* Seems like a shrewd move on the part of the PAC10. All the talk has been about the Big 10 and the SEC. Looks like they're trying to steal some thunder and go for one of the big prizes (texas) and get em off the board. Look for the Big 10 to move up it's timetable now.

* The biggest winners in this thing have to be tech and osu. You can't tell me that everyone connected in some way with those two schools haven't resigned themselves the last few weeks to life either in a diminished Big 12 or in the Mountain West. By including those two schools in this deal, the PAC 10 shows they know state politics; everyone associated with those two schools (administrators, politicians, fans) are going to start putting enormous pressure on texas, a&m and ou to snag this deal. With it, they're in a glamorous conference with dreams of whippin USC ass and playing in the Rose Bowl. Without it, they're playing in the college football equivalent of AA ball complete with $1 Hot Dog Promos and Ugly Girlfriend Night. Like I said........shrewd.

* BTW, ou comes out pretty well in this thing too. I can't think of too many things I've read on this that had OU going anywhere other than possibly the SEC in some scenarios (and none of those scenarios had ou going by themselves). California has to be thinking "Damn, didn't we go thru this once already with that Dust Bowl shit? Another Okie migration? Well, fuck us."

* I have a sneaking suspicion that the losers in this might be Mizzou and Nebraska. If this deal happens and the Texas schools are off the market is the Big 10 still interested in them? Or do they come to the realization that they were the ugly sisters being talked to in order to get to their two hot sisters with big tits?

* Biggest loser, again if this thing happens, is Kansas. What might they do....drop football and just concentrate on basketball as an independent? Then again, what do i care? It's Kansas. Just saw the Kansas AD on tv just now......looks like a k i d who just got socks for Christmas.

* Oh, yeah, you're still Baylor.

* The PAC 16 money just seems ungodly. 20 mil a year? Per team? Hey, maybe we can finally get the letters lit at Kyle and bring the bathrooms up to at least 19th century standards. Little splash of paint in those restrooms might help too. Last game I went there the graffiti still consisted of things like "No statehood for Hawaii" and "Charlie Milstead sucks cock".

* I must say though....I still want the SEC for A&M. I'm not speaking for anyone else except my own dumbass, but this PAC 16 looks like the Big 12 with a suntan. Bunch of teams we have little in common with and even less history with. I know texas will be happy; they get to rub elbows (and Gawd knows what else) with Stanford and Cal and continue their dick measuring with USC, but man for your friends on the Brazos, it's a fuckin yawner. I'd be more than mildly interested probably only once or twice; when we play USC in the Coliseum or UCLA in the Rose Bowl. And we'd probably only see them every three or four years.

* Noted in that story that A&M to the SEC might have some legs. Tell you right now........I am rock hard........3 and a half inches of solid iron, bitches. Please don't tell me that the SEC is beneath us (as some are doing on AO). The SEC is the biggest swinging dick in college football and I want A&M to be a part of it. I want yell practice at Pat Obriens before the LSU game like in the old days, I want to play Bama, take on Florida in The Swamp, get Auburn for a night game at Kyle, play a game at Oxford and look at the wimins. Will we get our ass whipped? At first, yes. But smack aside, we can't suck forever. Anal Spelunker or later, we're gonna find someone who can right this ship. Will we ever be a threat to win the conference every year? No, not in that hyper-competitive bitch, but eventually we'll compete. And eventually we'll win. Remember how sweet it was to beat KSU in football in 98 and beat Kansas in Kansas in basketball a few years back? We can do it again. And I really believe our recruiting gets better when we can sell the SEC to recruits.

*Now, i can here the shit already...."A&M wants to go play with the toothless inbreds.........stupid Aggys". You know what? I don't give a fuck. Hell , if there's one thing bout A&M that we've been consistent about over the decades it's this; "This is how we roll...........you don't like it, tough". Hell, it's practically on our school seal. Oh, texas might not play us if we go to the SEC? We'll see about that. Oh, I have no doubt the tsip tshirt army and probably some 2 percenter Aggies feel that way, but fuck them. Real bonafide Texas EXs and Old Army Ags will never let that shit happen. Real TexasEXs are never going to miss a chance to put aggie in their place and Real Old Army Ags are never going to miss a chance to bring sippy down a peg or two.

*Finally, I never want to hear shit from you horns about Aggie dick sucker John Lopez. Good lord, Chip Brown sucks Bevo's wang. What's the deal there; do his jaws un-hinge like a snake so he can get more in?

* Anyway, this makes for great off-season conversation. Beats talking about who's gonna be on the cover of Texas Football this year.

Anal Spelunker or later.......

Hell , i had to leave that in there

I see this as a deal neither A&M or the horns want. But might have to accept for fear of being stuck in a defunct B12.

B10 will have to counter, they'll go with NU or Mizzou or both.

KU is the biggest loser.

if its legit, Tech makes out like a bandit.

i dont think A&M fans should want any part of the SEC. it will lose its luster once you start dealing directly with the Les Miles's, Nick Sabans, and the Urban Myers's. seems like the schools in that conference will do whatever it takes to stay on top of the football world, and A&M will have to get their hands dirty to keep up.

Problem is, in the PAC 10, you've got Rick Neuheisel and Lane Kiffin. And speaking of dirty, USC's NCAA stuff is supposed to be released today. And take a look at Oregon. Point is, you've got some asswipe coaches and Thug U programs in the PAC 10, too.

This is however, the kind of thing that's going to get thrown at A&M now that it's out in the open that we're flirting with the SEC. How intense it gets depends largely on whether the deal falls apart if A&M balks. If A&M leaving doesn't affect the deal, then the attitude of everyone else might be "good riddance". But if the deals off without A&M, then can A&M take the heat they're going to get from all sides? I suspect not.

And another thing; this is it for A&M and the SEC. This is our last chance. If we don't go now, we never will.

Would rather go to the SEC. As much as I despise Chip Brown, I think this was brilliantly played by the Orangebloods guys (or whoever leaked this). Great timing. It is also a great move by the Pac-10. Funniest part about this is it sort of takes the ball out of the court of that cocksucker Delany (Big Ten commissioner). That mother fucker was eating this shit up and was just going to soak up the attention his shithole league was getting for the next few months. This forces everyone's hands. This thing might be done before football season starts now.

By the way, we fit in better with the SEC (as do OU and Tech really), and the sips fit in better with the granola eating fags in the Pac-10.

Interesting to see if both the Big 10 and SEC come out with counter proposals. I imagine the Big 10 can offer better money, better game start times and more prestige academically. Wonder if the SEC gets more aggressive about pursing A&M now that we've shown a little thigh.

Also, as much as Bill Byrne gets shit from everyone, he is playing this thing exactly right (at least in the media):

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-pac-1...2-schools-28464

Big Ten appears to still be in the picture

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sport...as.html?sid=101

The SEC certainly isn't going to stand by and let shit happen. Those guys will scrap with anyone, and if the Pac 10 so much as twitches, the SEC will do something huge. I don't know what it would be, but no conference is as committed
to stomping on throats as the SEC.

For what it's worth (and I know it isn't much) Tubervlle went on record last night saying that this isn't anywhere as close to getting done as people think. He said he's been in these circles for 30 years and seen these kinds of "threats" at least 5 times. He thinks a realignment is a foregone conclusion, but that it's probably 3-4 years away. Then he admitted that he's just a coach and doesn't know shit.

He fully supports it and think it will lead to a 4-8 team playoff

The key to this thing of course, is texas. texas wants two things; money and clout. They've always had plenty of both, going all the way back to the early days of the SWC. I don't think they want to give up either in whatever move they make (btw, would it hurt Dodds to dial back the "we are the Jones" shit a little bit?) . If they go to another conference they might make more money, but they lose clout. However, if they stay in the Big 12, with either their own network or the lions share from a Big 12 network, then they have more money and keep their clout. I still think that's their ultimate goal. The question in that scenario is whether A&M, OU, Nebraska and Mizzou would stand for it.

last thing i want for texas and A&M is to be stuck in the pac-10.

Best chance of success: Pac 10
Best chance of getting your asses handed to you every week: SEC

But hey, at least you get to say "we're in the SEC"....right?

Not sure how there is a better chance for success in the proposed conference. I'd say there's just as good a chance of ass-whippins for us in the proposed PAC 16. I count 8 teams in the PAC 10 alone that would have laid the wood to us last year. Plus texas, ou and colorado who did beat us last year. I believe our recruiting would be better being able to sell the bad-ass SEC to recruits.

I'm just kidding around....I think the Big 12 South (-Baylor+Colorado) stands a better chance of overall success in the Pac-10 is all.

Not if Texas has their own network bring in Big Ten type money for them and them alone. This Pac-10 deal is bullshit. It's going to benefit Texas and no one else.

This makes me wonder if at some point texas doesn't just dig in their heels with the Big 12 and say "We get our own network or we walk. Period. No Big 12 Network with equal revenue.. No compromise." Other than A&M, OU, Mizzou and Colorado, the rest of the conference will have few other options. Even if those four do leave (and Nebraska goes someplace), I suspect that the remaining members, having glimpsed into the Mountain West Conference abyss, will decide it's better to orbit Planet Texas in the Longhorn Conference than the alternative. An invite might even be extended to TCU and Houston, whom I suspect would be more than happy to join. At this point texas would have what they want; their own network, a conference with a BCS tie-in but one they could win almost every year and a bunch of schools who are happy just to have a BCS home and who won't say boo. Yes, the conference tv money would suck for the other schools but what the fuck would texas care, where they gonna go? Hell, call it the Hostage Conference.

please please please let baylor get left out of whatever happens.

i don't think it would be easy to pull recruits off the west coast to come to A&M as easily as it would in the SEC. the nature of our school doesn't fit the west coast personality as it would the SEC.

From A&M's stand point, going to the PAC10 after they roll over and give the sips whatever they want means we are just trading sitiuations.

We will be no better off than the position we're in right now with the B12.

Only move that benefits A&M is the SEC, period, end of story.

I agree with every single point Moe made. I'm amazed at the rationale some on the AO board are using. I thought "old Ags" were supposed to be smarter and wiser than that.

Road trips to 'Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc would kick so much ass. I'd GLADLY give up the t.u. game for those games. Yeah, it'd be nice to continue the rivalry (it can be done, even in different conferences), but that's not a sticking point for me. Bring on the SEC.

if A&M goes to the SEC you will regret it in 5 years.

sure it will be fun to tell people you are in the SEC, but that conference does NOT fuck around. and a schedule with Bama, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and UT (assuming you'll keep that going) would be an absolute bloodbath.

i just think yall are getting lured in by the thought of getting to say you're in the SEC. then you'll get there and say "holy shit what did we get ourselves in to"

and you think its a bitch to recruit against UT and OU now? wait till Florida, Alabama, and Georgia start toeing the water.

i dont know. i guess its easy for me to say b/c my school doesnt have much of a choice.

I'm assuming two things; ONE, our recruiting improves based on being able to sell our membership in the biggest, baddest stage in college football and TWO, that either Sherman builds the program up or we find someone who can.............Tommy Tuberville, perhaps? (naw, just fuckin wid ya).

Besides, I'm not sure we take more ass whippins if we're in the SEC the last ten years anyway.

I don't know where this ends but.

1. the Pac 10 is the hottest news because it is the newest news
2. nobody has a standing offer from the SEC and one is not imminent
3. a move to the Big 10 or Pac 10 would be a financial windfall for Bryne and he knows it.
4. no such guarantee exists in the SEC
5. I don't understand the attraction, would you rather your diploma be compared to UC Berkley and Stanford or Auburn and LSU?
6. Competition on the field is FAR down the list of considerations
7. Competition for recruits is further down than that. (I don't follow the linear reasoning that recruiting needle would move at all, one way or the other, no matter what conference you play in...if the right TV contract is in place - the SEC is not the recruiting Pollyanna playground I have heard many make it out to be....you will be fucking with Tennessee and LSU, and Chizik who has been green lighted to spend as much money on players to beat Bama as necessary....careful what you ask for)

Some on AO have been going down this road. I think it's a stretch at best. If I go to a vet and see an Aggie diploma on the wall or go to the dentist and see a Baylor diploma on the wall or go to a lawyer and see a texas diploma on the wall, then I'm comfortable that I'm in good hands. Who those schools compete with on the athletic field has never entered into my mind at all.

agree with moe. how does your athletic conference come into play in any way, shape, or form with your educational status? ivy league aside, it does not matter one bit.

I think it is all about perception, and they are not handing out degrees at Michigan, Stanford or Cal.

Can't say that about the SEC schools.

OU would be a good fit, because they would just be getting the initial admittance inconvenience out of the way.

Like it or not, you all are held in higher regard than that right now, and you are looking at sacrificing some of that in order to compete, or go the route of Vanderbilt.

Vandy has kept a stiff upper lip and remained above the fray, but it has been to their athletic department's peril.

And again, there is NO SEC offer on the table...they have their TV contracts wrapped up, CBS, ABC and ESPN are not going back to the contract table because TAMU might be jumping on board....so....essentially you are asking the rest of the SEC to divide their pie into more pieces, and they have a pretty good gig already.

yup.

like i said, be prepared to get your hands dirty if you think you're gonna compete with the big boys over there.

Go to the Pac 10, make a shit load of money, drive a truck through some ASU broads, and enjoy getting your asses kicked at the Coliseum every 4 years.

oh and prepare yourself to hate USC more than you've ever hated OU.

No offer on the table........that we know of.

As far as the tv deal is concerned, if A&M went to the SEC West and say, Clemson or Florida State to the East, the contract would be re-negotiated based on the new tv markets the new schools would bring. (rest assured that if the SEC lost Florida and LSU then ESPN and CBS would insist on going back to the contract table)

I don't know, that was a pretty big contract that the SEC just signed, and the Big 3 networks are shelling out a shiltload of money.

I don't think they would give any more money if Texas AND TAMU somehow went over there, let alone TAMU by themselves.

They have wrapped up a truck load of money and a corner on the market, are the the "tv's" that TAMU and _____________ would POTENTIALLY bring really get those guys to tear up a deal they just did - the biggest ever?

I suppose the answer will come if and when the SEC offers A&M or whoever. As you said, the other schools would lose money if forced to divide the pie further. So, either the SEC will have assurances they can go back to the contract table before they add new teams, or the other teams in the SEC are all just generous sumbitches.

EDIT:http://www.mrsec.com/2010/06/final-notes-from-destin/

More stuff.

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/06/...party-for-real/


interesting point that Mizzou might be about to get fucked. Good lord, what if tech gets into the PAC 16 and it's Mizzou that winds up the orphan after all the shit they talked?

from an article @ Newsok.com yesterday

what shit load of money, the P10 deal is worse than the B12. Plus if deal includes the sips getting everything they want we'll be in no better position that right now i nthe B12.

I'm willing to let me degree stand on it's own merits, not the merits of the other schools in the conference.

fuck Nebraska


Big 10 to Texas - "come play here"
Nebraska - "we're in"

Big 10 to Nebraska "well, uh, you see, uh....."

1994 was almost 20 years ago.

These things seem to have a shelf life of about a quarter century.

Osbourne is a smart guy and saw this coming a mile away.

pardon?

you made a little under 10mil last year on the Big 12 TV contract

you'd make 20 under the Pac 10 agreement.

I'm no math major, but it sounds like a pretty big step up.

interesting clause, but I wonder if they are compelled to vs. the "tv sets" that the expansion would bring.

something to keep an eye on.....anyone can always tear up a contract if both sides are amenable...that just seems like a very big one that was just done to be already changing it

my point is I am not aware of the SEC reaching out to ANY ONE....the rest of the College Football landscape is right now scrambling to adjust to that monster contract that they just did with multiple big time networks....we are trying to catch up.

Again that's in theory. Who's going bid for the network, Fox is the only one left out, don't think the ESPN really wants or needs anymore games.

And if this means the sips get their own network we're just going to Big XII 2.0

I'm starting to think more and more that that's what this is going to boil down to. A slightly revised Big 12 minus Nebraska plus TCU or Utah and featuring BEVOTV. KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor are saved from oblivion, no fights in the Lege and texas gets more money and gets to keep their clout. The only question is; will A&M swallow their pride and put up with it or do they have the saq to go to the SEC if asked? I'm starting to doubt it again.

i don't want to go to the pac10. then i would have to find some trash to talk about all these new schools so i could defend the honor of my tshirt team

Question.........how many votes within the Big 12 would texas have to get to have their own network? A simply majority or unanimous?

i really don't think texas having their own network would go over as well as they think it might. notre dame's ratings go up only when it's obvious they are going to lose the game and everybody turns over to enjoy it. texas is much more regional than notre dame and definitely more so than the big ten who are spread out by the millions across the country. i hardly know anyone who is originally not from big ten country. hell it's rare to run across people who's families are originally from n. carolina. transplants from the midwest/north east galore out here

never under estimate the arrogance of the horns

true but i doubt they'd pull in the ratings nbc did at the end of the game when notra dame lost at home to navy last year. i bet just about every tv in america that was following football tuned in for that

Honestly I think it's just more about controlling everything they can. It's not like they can do anymore to raise revenue, so then that leaves putting your fingers into every hole you can.

What they want is what they've always had; money and clout. They want more money (as does every other program) but they don't want to lose the clout. That's why I don't think they really want to go to another conference; they'll make more money but will lose their clout. In any conference texas went to, they would be an important voice, but unlike the Big 12, not [i[the[/i] most important voice. there are schools in both the PAC 10 and big 10 who think they're a big deal too. They won't put up with power plays from Texas.

So, what do they do? First, play footsie with other conferences while publicly pledging to want to stay in the Big 12. Make sure everyone in the Big 12, especially the weak sisters, get a good sweating. Then when everyone is various degrees of terrified, concerned or anxious you (texas) say you'll stay in the Big 12 if you can have your own network. Presto, texas gets what they want, more money without the loss of clout. And no trips for their girls basketball team to Pullman or Happy Valley. And if the other schools bitch, you just say "It's good to be the king".

By the way, someone on AO (I don't remember who) mentioned the idea of a joint tv network split between A&M and Texas. Called it The Lone Star Network, or something like that. It would be a mix of both Horn and Aggie programming. Tech and Baylor would raise holy hell about it of course, but it might be enough for Byrne and other Ags to give up the SEC dreams. It wouldn't be everything Texas would want, but perhaps a 60-40 split in revenue in their favor and the fact that A&M would throw their political clout behind it would win them over.

they can take their network and stick straight up their ass.

Let's go southeast my friends.