ain't no joke.

These guys are looking to hit a huge lick and hit it together for the next 20 years, where ever they go.

This is from one of those guys that makes shit like this happen for a living.


those of you that know, know.

write this down.

details? tx/notre dame where?

To the "We think our shit doesn't stink" conference.

Oh, you mean the Big 10.

silly me.

Big 10 gives their members more money than Notre Dame makes with their entire TV deal and supposing a BCS invite

That's right, Northwestern makes more money playing football right now than Notre Dame does.

The Big 12 members make half of what Notre Dame makes in football.

There is a HUGE monetary reason to go to the Big 10, but, if Texas and Notre dame are a package deal, they will command the highest bidder.

Couple of cash cows sewn up for a few decades makes any TV deal better than the one we have.

This isn't just because of what the Big 10 guy did today, this has been on the down low since the season ended and the SEC signed ABC/ESPN/CBS.

Is that the same "Bownds"?

Is texas/ notre dame a package deal? Seems like the Big 10 could add ND, stop at 12 teams , and no geographic oddities like a team from the deep southwest.

If they add texas they have 13 teams, who's the 14th?

I would imagine that is you, homie.

I have a hard time believing Texas goes anywhere without TAMU as long as the PUF is in place and politicians from both schools control that.

Yes, that is what I am saying....I don't know if they land in the Big 10, though that is who seems to want them the most, but I do know that the heavy hitters at UT and Notre Dame have been discussing changing the landscape of college football programing together since that ESPN deal with the SEC.

They have the Big Fox and NBC at their disposal, and the Big Fox just lost all of the BCS bowl games.

This has been getting chewed over pretty good on AO the last few days.

I'm starting to wonder if this might not be the giant shift everyone thinks.

Might it just be this? ---

*Notre Dame joins the Big 10. The Big 10 stops there. They have twelve teams and it all makes sense geographically.

*Texas uses the threat of moving elsewhere to force the Big 12 to either let them put together their own network or if the conference forms the Big 12 network, the revenue sharing is weighed according to eyes on tv sets. In either case, texas wins. fuckers.

*Tech and Baylor change into a clean set of underwear.

*Mizzou and Nebraska get the Heisman from the Big 10. As I read somewhere...."the Big 10 is interested in steak, not hamburger." Other than some tv sets in St. Louis (the ones in East St. Louis have all been stolen), Missouri brings little to the table. Nebraska is Mizzou without the meth and even fewer tv sets. By the way, when did Missouri become the Harvard of the Midwest? Talk about an outsized opinion of yourself.

*The SEC, having seen that all the Big 10 did was add ND and nothing else, stands pat.

*Colorado gazes to the PAC 10 and realizes their dream of smoking bud with the hip-eyes at Cal have once again been thwarted.

*A&M fans like me can only look wistfully at SEC games on Saturday. Who do we play this week......Kansas?....oh goody.

That might be right.

I don't know where this ends up and Texas leveraging a package deal to their advantage might be all that happens, but I have heard from one of the guys that does this sort of thing that they have been dealing with Notre Dame since the ESPN signing with the SEC.

The current national exposure that we in the Big 12 get when our teams compete is just not acceptable, and when still ANOTHER network signs on with the SEC and our esteemed "Bebee" is left looking for a deal with the food network, shit gets done without him.

Especially with no play off and polling and Heisman balloting are such a product of media attention.

The Big 12 leadership continues to prove itself inept. You'd think with all the threats to leave the conference, we'd hear something about them trying to scrap the current TV deal and put together one that's more in line with everyone else. No reason our conference shouldn't have every game on TV or get paid at least close to what the other conferences do. This crap about the # of TV sets with a conference's geographic area is a load of bullshit. Big games draw ratings. The Big 12 has big games every week. You think someone in the Big 10 area is going to watch Northwestern vs. Indiana over OU @ Nebraska? That's fucking stupid.

Also fucking stupid is the fact we're on TV less than every other college football team and most high schools.

We need a Big 12 Network like meat curtains needs vaginoplasty. These TV exclusivity windows that the Big 12 has need to be done away with. That's the stupidest fucking idea ever and whoever put it in our TV contract should be forced to suck a creampie out meat curtains's surf.

So a.n.n.e. gets changed to meat curtains and c.r.e.a.m.p.i.e. to Ted Striker. Awesome.

s.u.r.f. gets changed to ted striker? wtf

yeah, the higher ups around here need to find one for you, dude.

That's probably the single best post in the history of the InterTubes. it makes solid sense and it does so with style. It's got about 12 funny things going for it. Jeebus Palomino, HM. Nice work.

I don't like the Big 12. Seriously.

*The old Big 8 teams bore the piss outta me. Yeah, I know all the resentment has run the other way, but I don't care. I get fired up for two games a year....tech, texas and that's it. I can't even get my blood up for OU and they've beaten us like Ike Turner the last decade.

*I hate....fucking hate this aerial-circus shit. Maybe now that that asswipe Leach is gone we might have some sanity return to offensive football around here. Saw where Mack is talking about having horn OBs take the ball more from under center. And naturally the sip spin machine makes it sound like texas is the trendsetter here. Typical. In any case, anything that moves us away from pussyball is fine with me.


* I'm spitballing here......but how about a couple of things to make things more interesting in this conference? How bout telling Baylor and Iowa State to go get their fuckin shinebox and shrink this thing to 10 teams? Then, how bout getting rid of the divisions and play 9 conference games a year? Have the top 2 play for the title. Everybody plays everybody every year. That's how rivalries are made. And ou and nebraska would play again every year, it would be great for the conference and might stop Tom Osbourne's bleeding. At least for a while.

* OR, re-shuffle the divisions every 5 or 6 years. Swap OU and Nebraska, tech and CU. Something.

*Games on Big Fox would rock. Games on Fox Sports Net are so badly produced I can swear I see HSE banners in the stadium.

It is indeed.

Gald to see your crazy ass isn't dead.

Damn it, Moe. You're nails on this shit. I remember back in the days of the Southwest Conference I knew half of the players on the other teams. I've got ZERO clue of who the studs are from Iowa State, CU, KU, or Mizzou. The Aggies and sips don't even recruit the same players. Very odd situation. Hell, I can name half of the L$U squad because they're either from Texas or they were recruited by the Aggies.

Moe, you are the fucking shit when it comes to this stuff. You convey the feelings I have on the subject with an eloquence normally reserved for the likes of Larry the Cable Guy.

...and while we're on the subject of how to improve this Chrysler mini-van of a conference we got stuck with...

How bout--

*Move the football title game to Cowboys Stadium permanently. Sorry haters, but the Death Star is already the glamour spot in the stadium universe. It does nothing but help the status of this conference to have the title game every year on that stage. The SEC (*sigh......Moe looks longingly to the east*) has it's title game every year in Atlanta with no problems. Home field advantage hasn't meant a whole lot with that game anyway (see 1997, 1998, 2001 and damn near 2009....bunch of extra-one-second-havin motherfuckers). The inevitable bleeding from the gash of the North Division might be stopped with.....

*Move the basketball tourney to KC permanently. The Northern schools are right on this one. The games are better attended in KC and the tourney just don't look right anywhere else.

*Move the women's tourney to San Antonio. Why not? SA is a cool city and close enough to Austin so that those that want to can get their dyke on.

*Move the baseball tourney to OKC. Never been there but I hear the stadium is nice. Good enough for me. Besides, gotta give the Okies something.

*Move un-manly men's sports championships like diving, tennis and sports where a man's crotch is liable to spend extended periods of time on another man's face....like wrestling to a street corner in Oak Lawn or Montrose. All you " Houston-is-Daddy" ass-bandits who want to argue the games would be better attended in Houston will get no argument from me on this one......

moe, you're spot on with the title games and just about everything else. put it at texas stadium permanently. unless A&M or tu is playing, houston will not draw a crowd. at least in dallas the sooners and pokes would drive down, and the north would be more willing as well. same goes for the games in KC and St. Louis.

see, one problem with today's game is that everything in football is following the trends of the times. 10 years ago, the big 12 could leverage 3 of the top 7 (tu, OU, and Neb) all-time programs and get good air time on tv. at that time, the big 12 should've acted, but it sat like a bunch of fucks. now the game has surpassed the boring midwest. the big 10 is lucky because they touch the heels of the east, which helps a ton. and the SEC schools are historically easier for athletes to attend, so they get great players which makes great teams and in turn gets good contracts. bottom line is the big 12 should've acted 10-12 years ago but didn't. their top 3 were arguably better than any other top 3 in any conference at the time.

Fuck the permanent conference championship site idea. It's a bad idea from a fan interest standpoint. OKC sucks and the okie schools don't support their schools very well when it comes to baseball. That place is WAAAAY over rated for the Big 12 baseball tournament. I don't mind it being there some of the time, but not every year. Alternate it between OKC and Arlington every year. For basketball: KC, OKC, KC, Dallas, KC, OKC, KC, Dallas. Football is different because it's not a multi-day event like the other 2 sports, which makes it much easier to attend from out of town. It's got to be at JerryWorld at least every other year. I wouldn't mind it being the permanent site so much. KC is the only place in the North division region that makes sense to have it.

...now that would be some funny shit. Day of the game......team buses pull up to Texas Stadium......and suddenly a collective......"what the fuck?????!!!!. Be just like the Big 12.

oh and as far as nebraska goes, they were kinda starting their decline at the turn of the century but i don't think anybody knew it would spiral down. notre dame is a team of the past. i don't think these kids give a shit about playing there anymore. kids wanna play for a product and a new brand, not some tired old reject with a history. also, the country has gotten smaller, so kids will leave their home states. look at the LB Hicks coming from Ohio. kids don't wanna play in that cold shitty weather anymore now that games are aired all over the country. whoever runs the big 10 is the smartest of all conference presidents because he knows that he has to expand his market immediately since the big 10 as it stands now is on a major decline. if i was the pac 10 i'd make damn sure i'd get the two texas schools over there. byu, utah, and/or colorado won't expand their market enough. and i don't think mizzou will really help the big 10, just more or less hurt the big 12, unless they do get nebraska.

cowboy stadium, texas stadium, you know what i mean.

btw, this is why i love the shack. we can have a fair discussion without people blimping and trolling everywhere.

Then alternate the baseball tourney every year between Rangers Ballpark and Minute Maid and Kauffman Stadium. Keep it in big-time venues to elevate the event.

Yeah, Texas Stadium was destroyed. Never should have let your ass drive on 183.

Ketchum was on Rivals Radio this morning and (I never thought I'd say this) actually had a pretty fair point of view on the thing. The part I heard didn't mention A&M (which he always seems to do), but meshed with fuck off' theory of texas and Notre Dame talking, but more along the lines of either them going to the Big Ten or (get this), them working together on some sort of TV deal where they would be "independent together." At least that's the impression I got. Which again, if we land somewhere like the Big Ten or SEC after that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for us.

Only problem with MM is it's only convenient for us and the sips. Arlington at least gives the Okies a reasonable trip, OKC gives the DFW people and North division people a reasonable trip. However, MM would probably make about the best spot for it as far as amenities, given that it has a retractable roof and is situated downtown within walking distance of bars, restaurants, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing it there, along with Arlington and OKC. I just don't want it at OKC every year, or even more than every other year.

And as far as baseball in KC, I don't know how well that would work, in an MLB park, with the lack of support from the North schools.

Sounds like the Big 10 might be trying to get texas and ND into some kind of dick-measuring contest with the hopes of getting one of them to join.

this part is deadly accurate, there is a population shift coming in this country in the next quarter of a century, and he wants tv sets in this market......and they aren't fucking around about paying for them.

The void in leadership and vision in the Big 12 for, I guess ever, is quite impressive when you look at it.

I've been saying this for about 5-6 years, and the most anyone would counter with is "Hey, the Big 12 is doing GREAT on the field! What are you, crazy?" It's sort of like A&M's athletic department mentality in the 90s. "We're doing awesome now! Why do we need to spend all that money to build a football facility?" Total and complete lack of planning for the future. It's like that retard, HotardAg07, on Texags. Every time this realignment is brought up, he brings up something like "the Big 12 has played in X number of BCS games over the last 10 years" or "Why would anyone would to watch the Big Ten...they are boring." Boys, we can either get on the train or get hit by it, but it's coming. I have a pretty good feeling that if we play this right, A&M, Texas, and OU are going to be OK. Nebraska will be OK. Everyone else may be fucked. I'm going to laugh my ass off if Missouri is being used as a pawn here to get who the Big Ten really wants. With the shit talking they've been doing, they are up shit creek if they are spurned by the Big Ten for better options.

Fuck you.

hicks grew up in Texas if i'm not mistaken. he lived there for a while and his mom was real good friends with someone on the texas staff - that has been confirmed several times over on many Buckeye boards. he grew up a horn and really never wanted to go elsewhere unless they weren't interested.

btw. if they don't want to play football in the cold shitty states, how do you explain all the florida kids that play up north? kids want to go to the top schools period. if they are a star on those teams, they'll most likely be in the NFL. unless it's your childhood dream school or in the rare case for college athletics - the school that has the best program for what you want to major in, you usually won't get many looks from the top players if your school sucks. kids today are in it for a shot at the pros and don't really care about the school they attend

So you're from East St. Looie and went to tech?

Life choices....improve you must[/yoda voice]

Tech then E.StL...so I'm moving up in the world.

I'd say E. StL is a step up from Houston.

i lived in northern durham for a while (northgate mall area) . can i get some props