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[HeyMoe]

* Seems like a shrewd move on the part of the PAC10. All the talk has been about the Big 10 and the SEC. Looks like they're trying to steal some thunder and go for one of the big prizes (texas) and get em off the board. Look for the Big 10 to move up it's timetable now.

* The biggest winners in this thing have to be tech and osu. You can't tell me that everyone connected in some way with those two schools haven't resigned themselves the last few weeks to life either in a diminished Big 12 or in the Mountain West. By including those two schools in this deal, the PAC 10 shows they know state politics; everyone associated with those two schools (administrators, politicians, fans) are going to start putting enormous pressure on texas, a&m and ou to snag this deal. With it, they're in a glamorous conference with dreams of whippin USC ass and playing in the Rose Bowl. Without it, they're playing in the college football equivalent of AA ball complete with $1 Hot Dog Promos and Ugly Girlfriend Night. Like I said........shrewd.

* BTW, ou comes out pretty well in this thing too. I can't think of too many things I've read on this that had OU going anywhere other than possibly the SEC in some scenarios (and none of those scenarios had ou going by themselves). California has to be thinking "Damn, didn't we go thru this once already with that Dust Bowl shit? Another Okie migration? Well, fuck us."

* I have a sneaking suspicion that the losers in this might be Mizzou and Nebraska. If this deal happens and the Texas schools are off the market is the Big 10 still interested in them? Or do they come to the realization that they were the ugly sisters being talked to in order to get to their two hot sisters with big tits?

* Biggest loser, again if this thing happens, is Kansas. What might they do....drop football and just concentrate on basketball as an independent? Then again, what do i care? It's Kansas. Just saw the Kansas AD on tv just now......looks like a k i d who just got socks for Christmas.

* Oh, yeah, you're still Baylor.

* The PAC 16 money just seems ungodly. 20 mil a year? Per team? Hey, maybe we can finally get the letters lit at Kyle and bring the bathrooms up to at least 19th century standards. Little splash of paint in those restrooms might help too. Last game I went there the graffiti still consisted of things like "No statehood for Hawaii" and "Charlie Milstead sucks cock".

* I must say though....I still want the SEC for A&M. I'm not speaking for anyone else except my own dumbass, but this PAC 16 looks like the Big 12 with a suntan. Bunch of teams we have little in common with and even less history with. I know texas will be happy; they get to rub elbows (and Gawd knows what else) with Stanford and Cal and continue their dick measuring with USC, but man for your friends on the Brazos, it's a fuckin yawner. I'd be more than mildly interested probably only once or twice; when we play USC in the Coliseum or UCLA in the Rose Bowl. And we'd probably only see them every three or four years.

* Noted in that story that A&M to the SEC might have some legs. Tell you right now........I am rock hard........3 and a half inches of solid iron, bitches. Please don't tell me that the SEC is beneath us (as some are doing on AO). The SEC is the biggest swinging dick in college football and I want A&M to be a part of it. I want yell practice at Pat Obriens before the LSU game like in the old days, I want to play Bama, take on Florida in The Swamp, get Auburn for a night game at Kyle, play a game at Oxford and look at the wimins. Will we get our ass whipped? At first, yes. But smack aside, we can't suck forever. Anal Spelunker or later, we're gonna find someone who can right this ship. Will we ever be a threat to win the conference every year? No, not in that hyper-competitive bitch, but eventually we'll compete. And eventually we'll win. Remember how sweet it was to beat KSU in football in 98 and beat Kansas in Kansas in basketball a few years back? We can do it again. And I really believe our recruiting gets better when we can sell the SEC to recruits.

*Now, i can here the shit already...."A&M wants to go play with the toothless inbreds.........stupid Aggys". You know what? I don't give a fuck. Hell , if there's one thing bout A&M that we've been consistent about over the decades it's this; "This is how we roll...........you don't like it, tough". Hell, it's practically on our school seal. Oh, texas might not play us if we go to the SEC? We'll see about that. Oh, I have no doubt the tsip tshirt army and probably some 2 percenter Aggies feel that way, but fuck them. Real bonafide Texas EXs and Old Army Ags will never let that shit happen. Real TexasEXs are never going to miss a chance to put aggie in their place and Real Old Army Ags are never going to miss a chance to bring sippy down a peg or two.

*Finally, I never want to hear shit from you horns about Aggie dick sucker John Lopez. Good lord, Chip Brown sucks Bevo's wang. What's the deal there; do his jaws un-hinge like a snake so he can get more in?

* Anyway, this makes for great off-season conversation. Beats talking about who's gonna be on the cover of Texas Football this year.

[HeyMoe]

Anal Spelunker or later.......

Hell , i had to leave that in there

[BQ_90]

I see this as a deal neither A&M or the horns want. But might have to accept for fear of being stuck in a defunct B12.

B10 will have to counter, they'll go with NU or Mizzou or both.

KU is the biggest loser.

[Doc]

if its legit, Tech makes out like a bandit.

i dont think A&M fans should want any part of the SEC. it will lose its luster once you start dealing directly with the Les Miles's, Nick Sabans, and the Urban Myers's. seems like the schools in that conference will do whatever it takes to stay on top of the football world, and A&M will have to get their hands dirty to keep up.

[HeyMoe]

if its legit, Tech makes out like a bandit.

i dont think A&M fans should want any part of the SEC. it will lose its luster once you start dealing directly with the Les Miles's, Nick Sabans, and the Urban Myers's. seems like the schools in that conference will do whatever it takes to stay on top of the football world, and A&M will have to get their hands dirty to keep up.

Problem is, in the PAC 10, you've got Rick Neuheisel and Lane Kiffin. And speaking of dirty, USC's NCAA stuff is supposed to be released today. And take a look at Oregon. Point is, you've got some asswipe coaches and Thug U programs in the PAC 10, too.

This is however, the kind of thing that's going to get thrown at A&M now that it's out in the open that we're flirting with the SEC. How intense it gets depends largely on whether the deal falls apart if A&M balks. If A&M leaving doesn't affect the deal, then the attitude of everyone else might be "good riddance". But if the deals off without A&M, then can A&M take the heat they're going to get from all sides? I suspect not.

And another thing; this is it for A&M and the SEC. This is our last chance. If we don't go now, we never will.

[BohunkAg]

Would rather go to the SEC. As much as I despise Chip Brown, I think this was brilliantly played by the Orangebloods guys (or whoever leaked this). Great timing. It is also a great move by the Pac-10. Funniest part about this is it sort of takes the ball out of the court of that cocksucker Delany (Big Ten commissioner). That mother fucker was eating this shit up and was just going to soak up the attention his shithole league was getting for the next few months. This forces everyone's hands. This thing might be done before football season starts now.

[BohunkAg]

By the way, we fit in better with the SEC (as do OU and Tech really), and the sips fit in better with the granola eating fags in the Pac-10.

[HeyMoe]

Would rather go to the SEC. As much as I despise Chip Brown, I think this was brilliantly played by the Orangebloods guys (or whoever leaked this). Great timing. It is also a great move by the Pac-10. Funniest part about this is it sort of takes the ball out of the court of that cocksucker Delany (Big Ten commissioner). That mother fucker was eating this shit up and was just going to soak up the attention his shithole league was getting for the next few months. This forces everyone's hands. This thing might be done before football season starts now.

Interesting to see if both the Big 10 and SEC come out with counter proposals. I imagine the Big 10 can offer better money, better game start times and more prestige academically. Wonder if the SEC gets more aggressive about pursing A&M now that we've shown a little thigh.

[BohunkAg]

Also, as much as Bill Byrne gets shit from everyone, he is playing this thing exactly right (at least in the media):

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-pac-1...2-schools-28464

Then there’s this about Byrne from the HOUSTON CHRONICLE today:

Take Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne’s reaction Wednesday when asked if the Southeastern Conference is an option for the Aggies, should the Big 12 break up.

“It might be,” Byrne said, pausing. “You know what? It might be.”

Byrne knows full well that Texas has no intention of joining the SEC, so is it any coincidence that he made those comments mere hours before a Texas-centric site reported that the Longhorns may be part of Pac-10 expansion?

What Byrne is really saying with that comment about the SEC is that his school isn’t just going to fall into whatever decision Texas makes about conference affiliation. If A&M is to go to the Pac-10, Texas and the conference will have to make it worth their while.

[surf]

Big Ten appears to still be in the picture

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sport...as.html?sid=101

[Doc]

The SEC certainly isn't going to stand by and let shit happen. Those guys will scrap with anyone, and if the Pac 10 so much as twitches, the SEC will do something huge. I don't know what it would be, but no conference is as committed
to stomping on throats as the SEC.

For what it's worth (and I know it isn't much) Tubervlle went on record last night saying that this isn't anywhere as close to getting done as people think. He said he's been in these circles for 30 years and seen these kinds of "threats" at least 5 times. He thinks a realignment is a foregone conclusion, but that it's probably 3-4 years away. Then he admitted that he's just a coach and doesn't know shit.

He fully supports it and think it will lead to a 4-8 team playoff

[HeyMoe]

The key to this thing of course, is texas. texas wants two things; money and clout. They've always had plenty of both, going all the way back to the early days of the SWC. I don't think they want to give up either in whatever move they make (btw, would it hurt Dodds to dial back the "we are the Jones" shit a little bit?) . If they go to another conference they might make more money, but they lose clout. However, if they stay in the Big 12, with either their own network or the lions share from a Big 12 network, then they have more money and keep their clout. I still think that's their ultimate goal. The question in that scenario is whether A&M, OU, Nebraska and Mizzou would stand for it.

[dag]

last thing i want for texas and A&M is to be stuck in the pac-10.

[shiner raider]

Best chance of success: Pac 10
Best chance of getting your asses handed to you every week: SEC

But hey, at least you get to say "we're in the SEC"....right?

[HeyMoe]

Best chance of success: Pac 10
Best chance of getting your asses handed to you every week: SEC

But hey, at least you get to say "we're in the SEC"....right?

Not sure how there is a better chance for success in the proposed conference. I'd say there's just as good a chance of ass-whippins for us in the proposed PAC 16. I count 8 teams in the PAC 10 alone that would have laid the wood to us last year. Plus texas, ou and colorado who did beat us last year. I believe our recruiting would be better being able to sell the bad-ass SEC to recruits.

[shiner raider]

I'm just kidding around....I think the Big 12 South (-Baylor+Colorado) stands a better chance of overall success in the Pac-10 is all.

[BohunkAg]

I'm just kidding around....I think the Big 12 South (-Baylor+Colorado) stands a better chance of overall success in the Pac-10 is all.

Not if Texas has their own network bring in Big Ten type money for them and them alone. This Pac-10 deal is bullshit. It's going to benefit Texas and no one else.

[HeyMoe]

Not if Texas has their own network bring in Big Ten type money for them and them alone. This Pac-10 deal is bullshit. It's going to benefit Texas and no one else.

This makes me wonder if at some point texas doesn't just dig in their heels with the Big 12 and say "We get our own network or we walk. Period. No Big 12 Network with equal revenue.. No compromise." Other than A&M, OU, Mizzou and Colorado, the rest of the conference will have few other options. Even if those four do leave (and Nebraska goes someplace), I suspect that the remaining members, having glimpsed into the Mountain West Conference abyss, will decide it's better to orbit Planet Texas in the Longhorn Conference than the alternative. An invite might even be extended to TCU and Houston, whom I suspect would be more than happy to join. At this point texas would have what they want; their own network, a conference with a BCS tie-in but one they could win almost every year and a bunch of schools who are happy just to have a BCS home and who won't say boo. Yes, the conference tv money would suck for the other schools but what the fuck would texas care, where they gonna go? Hell, call it the Hostage Conference.

[yoshi]

please please please let baylor get left out of whatever happens.

[dag]

i don't think it would be easy to pull recruits off the west coast to come to A&M as easily as it would in the SEC. the nature of our school doesn't fit the west coast personality as it would the SEC.

[BQ_90]

From A&M's stand point, going to the PAC10 after they roll over and give the sips whatever they want means we are just trading sitiuations.

We will be no better off than the position we're in right now with the B12.

Only move that benefits A&M is the SEC, period, end of story.

[AggieJen02]

I agree with every single point Moe made. I'm amazed at the rationale some on the AO board are using. I thought "old Ags" were supposed to be smarter and wiser than that.

Road trips to 'Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc would kick so much ass. I'd GLADLY give up the t.u. game for those games. Yeah, it'd be nice to continue the rivalry (it can be done, even in different conferences), but that's not a sticking point for me. Bring on the SEC.

[Doc]

if A&M goes to the SEC you will regret it in 5 years.

sure it will be fun to tell people you are in the SEC, but that conference does NOT fuck around. and a schedule with Bama, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and UT (assuming you'll keep that going) would be an absolute bloodbath.

i just think yall are getting lured in by the thought of getting to say you're in the SEC. then you'll get there and say "holy shit what did we get ourselves in to"

and you think its a bitch to recruit against UT and OU now? wait till Florida, Alabama, and Georgia start toeing the water.

i dont know. i guess its easy for me to say b/c my school doesnt have much of a choice.

[HeyMoe]

if A&M goes to the SEC you will regret it in 5 years.

sure it will be fun to tell people you are in the SEC, but that conference does NOT fuck around. and a schedule with Bama, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and UT (assuming you'll keep that going) would be an absolute bloodbath.

i just think yall are getting lured in by the thought of getting to say you're in the SEC. then you'll get there and say "holy shit what did we get ourselves in to"

and you think its a bitch to recruit against UT and OU now? wait till Florida, Alabama, and Georgia start toeing the water.

i dont know. i guess its easy for me to say b/c my school doesnt have much of a choice.

I'm assuming two things; ONE, our recruiting improves based on being able to sell our membership in the biggest, baddest stage in college football and TWO, that either Sherman builds the program up or we find someone who can.............Tommy Tuberville, perhaps? (naw, just fuckin wid ya).

Besides, I'm not sure we take more ass whippins if we're in the SEC the last ten years anyway.

[Thethreeyardout]

I don't know where this ends but.

1. the Pac 10 is the hottest news because it is the newest news
2. nobody has a standing offer from the SEC and one is not imminent
3. a move to the Big 10 or Pac 10 would be a financial windfall for Bryne and he knows it.
4. no such guarantee exists in the SEC
5. I don't understand the attraction, would you rather your diploma be compared to UC Berkley and Stanford or Auburn and LSU?
6. Competition on the field is FAR down the list of considerations
7. Competition for recruits is further down than that. (I don't follow the linear reasoning that recruiting needle would move at all, one way or the other, no matter what conference you play in...if the right TV contract is in place - the SEC is not the recruiting Pollyanna playground I have heard many make it out to be....you will be fucking with Tennessee and LSU, and Chizik who has been green lighted to spend as much money on players to beat Bama as necessary....careful what you ask for)

[HeyMoe]

5. I don't understand the attraction, would you rather your diploma be compared to UC Berkley and Stanford or Auburn and LSU?

Some on AO have been going down this road. I think it's a stretch at best. If I go to a vet and see an Aggie diploma on the wall or go to the dentist and see a Baylor diploma on the wall or go to a lawyer and see a texas diploma on the wall, then I'm comfortable that I'm in good hands. Who those schools compete with on the athletic field has never entered into my mind at all.

[yoshi]

Some on AO have been going down this road. I think it's a stretch at best. If I go to a vet and see an Aggie diploma on the wall or go to the dentist and see a Baylor diploma on the wall or go to a lawyer and see a texas diploma on the wall, then I'm comfortable that I'm in good hands. Who those schools compete with on the athletic field has never entered into my mind at all.

agree with moe. how does your athletic conference come into play in any way, shape, or form with your educational status? ivy league aside, it does not matter one bit.

[Thethreeyardout]

I think it is all about perception, and they are not handing out degrees at Michigan, Stanford or Cal.

Can't say that about the SEC schools.

OU would be a good fit, because they would just be getting the initial admittance inconvenience out of the way.

Like it or not, you all are held in higher regard than that right now, and you are looking at sacrificing some of that in order to compete, or go the route of Vanderbilt.

Vandy has kept a stiff upper lip and remained above the fray, but it has been to their athletic department's peril.

And again, there is NO SEC offer on the table...they have their TV contracts wrapped up, CBS, ABC and ESPN are not going back to the contract table because TAMU might be jumping on board....so....essentially you are asking the rest of the SEC to divide their pie into more pieces, and they have a pretty good gig already.

[Doc]

Like it or not, you all are held in higher regard than that right now, and you are looking at sacrificing some of that in order to compete, or go the route of Vanderbilt.

Vandy has kept a stiff upper lip and remained above the fray, but it has been to their athletic department's peril.

yup.

like i said, be prepared to get your hands dirty if you think you're gonna compete with the big boys over there.

Go to the Pac 10, make a shit load of money, drive a truck through some ASU broads, and enjoy getting your asses kicked at the Coliseum every 4 years.

oh and prepare yourself to hate USC more than you've ever hated OU.

[HeyMoe]

I think it is all about perception, and they are not handing out degrees at Michigan, Stanford or Cal.

Can't say that about the SEC schools.

OU would be a good fit, because they would just be getting the initial admittance inconvenience out of the way.

Like it or not, you all are held in higher regard than that right now, and you are looking at sacrificing some of that in order to compete, or go the route of Vanderbilt.

Vandy has kept a stiff upper lip and remained above the fray, but it has been to their athletic department's peril.

And again, there is NO SEC offer on the table...they have their TV contracts wrapped up, CBS, ABC and ESPN are not going back to the contract table because TAMU might be jumping on board....so....essentially you are asking the rest of the SEC to divide their pie into more pieces, and they have a pretty good gig already.

No offer on the table........that we know of.

As far as the tv deal is concerned, if A&M went to the SEC West and say, Clemson or Florida State to the East, the contract would be re-negotiated based on the new tv markets the new schools would bring. (rest assured that if the SEC lost Florida and LSU then ESPN and CBS would insist on going back to the contract table)