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#1 Tex Pete

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 02:53 PM

Now that The One is in office, he has the Congress to do pretty much what he wants. This has been floating out there:

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge...E4A49UV20081105

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Teresa Ghilarducci, an economist at the New School for Social Research in New York, floated a radical alternative to 401(k)s at a hearing held by Miller on October 7.

Under her plan, workers would receive a annual $600 tax refund if they set aside 5 percent of their pay into a retirement account run by the Social Security Administration, which would then invest globally in risky assets to seek high returns. From that pool, workers would be paid a guaranteed 3 percent a year indexed to inflation.


In other words, they want to take our 401(k) plans and use the money like the do SS money. I mean, of course, we would get our money back just like we will with our SS, er uh...you can trust the government, right?

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Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months.

Under Ghilarducci’s plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.

The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated.

“I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401(k)s,” Ghilarducci said in an interview. “401(k)s can continue to exist, but they won’t have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break.”

Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said.

“I want to spend our nation’s dollar for retirement security better. Everybody would now be covered” if the plan were adopted, Ghilarducci said.


http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

Edited by Tex Pete, 06 November 2008 - 02:55 PM.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 02:56 PM

i'm taking it that you are hinting that you want a politics board over here
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 03:56 PM

QUOTE (surf @ Nov 6 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm taking it that you are hinting that you want a politics board over here

Nah. Ignorance just pisses me off.
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 03:59 PM

take it to super duper top secret anger management chat morans
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Tex Pete @ Nov 6 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now that The One is in office, he has the Congress to do pretty much what he wants. This has been floating out there:

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge...E4A49UV20081105
In other words, they want to take our 401(k) plans and use the money like the do SS money. I mean, of course, we would get our money back just like we will with our SS, er uh...you can trust the government, right?

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http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

You're ok with a government funded retirement plan as long its not a redistribution of wealth scheme? How does this make you any better than them? You're hand is still out looking for your piece.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (Timmy Chang @ Nov 6 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're ok with a government funded retirement plan as long its not a redistribution of wealth scheme? How does this make you any better than them? You're hand is still out looking for your piece.

Uh, no.

I am not OK with the government touching any of my money.
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Tex Pete @ Nov 6 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh, no.

I am not OK with the government touching any of my money.

You're not ok with the government giving you an extra $3k on your $10k to invest? Of course you're not; you're a man of principle.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 04:16 PM

Actually, it's more than $3k on $10k they're giving to you, as your employers contribution is free of income, medicare, and social security taxes.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 04:36 PM

I don't want shit from the government, and I don't want the government taking shit from me.

Unrelated, but a good article:

http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/11/...kes-the-white-h
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 05:24 PM

I told you 401ks would be next.

The Social Security Administration is bankrupt, too.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 05:50 PM

When you achieve a revolution, the first thing you have to do is make damn sure there isn't a counter-revolution. In medieval times, they cut off the heads of the king and his court. Today you stifle talk radio.

Expect Fox News FCC license to be looked at also. That probably explains why Rupert Murdock gave some money to Hillary when it looked like she might be Prez.

This is a day even the most delusional member of the Left never thought would arrive. They are going to take full advantage of it.
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Posted 06 November 2008 - 06:09 PM

Consider also how Obama got this far;

*He won his Illinois Legislature seat by successfully challenging the eligibility of the leading Democrat candidate. She was thrown off the ballot.

*He won his Senate seat when the divorce records of his leading Dem rival was published in the Chicago paper. After he won the Dem nomination the supposedly sealed divorce records of the leading Republican challenger were published also. He had to withdraw.

*Also don't forget the email hacking of Sarah Palin and the prying in to Joe The Plumber's private life.

*Also, watch the Minnesota Senate Race recount right now. Coleman and Franken are only separated by a few hundred votes. Expect the Dems to flood the place with lawyers and try another Florida 2000.

The point is, as the article pointed out, is that Obama and the Dems will try to clear the field for the 2010 midterms and beyond.

Edited by HeyMoe, 06 November 2008 - 06:18 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 08:06 PM

this campaign and the complete lack of anything even RESEMBLING honest and ethical reporting is the most disturbing thing i've seen in america during my lifetime. you never heard about any of the underhanded, shady dealings from the obama campaign and the fact that reverend jermiah's name was almost never mentioned is just unbelievable.

we're in uncharted waters and i think the repubs may be done for quite some time.

as an independent that would have voted for hillary, this thing was so fucked up. she got fucked over and the media knew what they wanted and made it happen...the general election was a foregone conclusion but to see that shit never discussed is just mindboggling.

scary shit.

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (houstontexan @ Nov 9 2008, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as an independent that would have voted for hillary, this thing was so fucked up. she got fucked over and the media knew what they wanted and made it happen...the general election was a foregone conclusion but to see that shit never discussed is just mindboggling.

scary shit.
Never underestimate the power of George Soros' money. He has said that he wants to bring the US to its knees.

Could he have bought the press off with his billions?
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Posted 09 November 2008 - 10:14 PM

Oh, THIS is a good start. One of the criticisms the Dems made of the Bush Administration was that they put people in charge of goverment agenceies who then screwed things up (Michael Brown at FEMA was probably the best example).

So who is rumored to be Attorney General under Obama? Jamie Gorelick. Who is she?

One of the things we discovered in the aftermath of 9-11 was that the FBI and CIA both had clues as to what the 9-11 hijackers were up to but because of Federal law they were not allowed to share that information. Under the Clinton Administration the so-called "wall", keeping the CIA and FBI from sharing info was strengthened under Clinton appointee Jamie Gorelick.

So the woman who was responsible for making it more difficult for the CIA and FBI to put the clues to the 9-11 plot together might be Attorney General under Barrack Obama. That's just great.

Oh yeah, she had a hand in fuckin up Fannie Mae, too.

Change, baby!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 10:17 PM

what exactly is the long short on george soros?

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (houstontexan @ Nov 9 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what exactly is the long short on george soros?

First, to speak on Jamie Gorelick: not only was she part of the problem w/r/t 9/11, she was put on the 9/11 Commission, and helped cover up her own transgressions.

George Soros is a Hungarian-Born American. He is the founder and benefactor of many left wing foundations, including MoveOn.org. He made over a billion dollars by shorting the British pound. Some call him "The man who killed the Bank of England."

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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29359

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No man has a larger stake in a president Barack Obama administration than ultra-liberal billionaire George Soros.

This decade, the Hungarian-born hedge fund investor has poured tens of millions of dollars into left-wing attack groups and Democratic campaigns. Soros' grand plan is to destroy the Republican Party and conservative movement, while promoting the wish list of the political Left.

With Democratic victories Tuesday, Soros may be on the cusp of fulfilling his dreams of social reorder -- funded by a fortune of $7 billion he amassed through rampant speculation on world currencies.

Soros has channeled his gains into such groups as Moveon.org and the Center for American Progress, not to mention the Democratic Party and its candidates. He may rightly have claimed any Democrat victory as his own this Election Day and expect President Obama to adopt his American vision.

"Soros is Obama's principal patron," said Richard Lawrence Poe, co-author with David Horowitz of "The Shadow Party," a critical look at the network of left-wing tax-exempt groups the investor sponsors. The groups in turn doled out money to liberal candidates such as Obama.

The book's subtitle is, "How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party."

"He created Obama," Poe told HUMAN EVENTS. "An Obama presidency will be a Soros presidency."

Poe said federal election records show Soros jump-started Obama's 2004 U.S. Senate campaign with $60,000 from himself and family members.

"These personal contributions are but a drop in the bucket compared to the unknown quantities of money Soros has channeled into the Obama campaign through his so-called Shadow Party," the author said.

To understand the 78-year-old Soros' world view, first look at his two obsessions: he dislikes President Bush intently, likening him to Hitler. And he dismisses the war on terror as a waste of time.

Then there is the press. Any one on the Left with lots of money who bankrolls liberal causes typically receives flattering coverage. Soros is no exception. He enjoys puff-ball treatment from the New York Times, Washington Post and their followers.

CNBC, for example, presents the talking-head Soros as a non-partisan investor, never telling viewers of his liberal crusade to destroy Republicans and how that might color his views.

His hatred of Bush and of the war against radical Islamic terrorists stand as the underpinnings for scores of leftist positions.

He funds his causes through his New York City-based Open Society Institute. Its web site is full of flowery prose about eliminating hunger, bringing social justice and encouraging diversity of opinion.

But beneath the propaganda is a financial grant system channeled to the hard left.

Click the link for "U.S. Programs" and this national security objective pops up: "Shifting the paradigm away from the 'war on terror.'" In other words, terrorists are victims and the U.S. is the perpetrator and must be stopped. The web page portrays America as a racist society at its roots.

Other Soros demands:

-- Legalize gay marriage and euthanasia, and make abortion more available. He funds groups that claim they are Catholics for choice.

-- Legalize illegal drugs, or at least reduce the penalties. Soros believes crack cocaine dealers are victims because powder cocaine sellers receive shorter prisoner sentences. They are typically white, while crack users are black, he says.

-- Give felons the right to vote and end the death penalty.

-- New rights for illegal aliens.

-- An end to U.S. global supremacy.

"George Soros has stated repeatedly and explicitly that he views the United States and its capitalist ideology as a threat to world peace," said Poe. "A consistent pattern, both in his political giving and in his philanthropic endeavors is to press for policies whose only possible effect will be to bankrupt the United States and end the reign of the U.S. dollar as the world's dominant exchange currency. Soros wishes to replace the U.S. dollar with a global currency, issued by a global bank."

Soros told the Washington Post in 2003 that defeating Bush's reelection "is the central focus of my life" and "a matter of life and death."

"When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' " Soros said, "it reminds me of the Germans. It conjures up memories of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit [The enemy is listening]. My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me."

He reportedly gave $5 million to Moveon.org, which promptly ran video ads comparing Bush to Hitler. An image of a saluting Hitler gives way to Bush taking the oath of office. Get it?

Despite the Open Society Institute's lofty mission statement, Soros likes this sort of bare-knuckle personal destruction.

After all, Bush is not the only person Moveon.org has savaged. It called Gen. David Petraeus a commander who is betraying his country. In 2004, Moveon.org attacked the evangelical beliefs of George Gallup Jr., son of Gallup's founder, because the company produced a presidential poll it did not like.

On the war, Soros has written that "terrorism is an abstraction."

In his book, "The Age of Fallibility: Consequences of the War on Terror," he wrote, "The Bush administration and the Nazi and communist regimes all engaged in the politics of fear. Indeed, the Bush administration has been able to improve on the techniques used by the Nazi and Communist propaganda machines by drawing on the innovations of the advertising and marketing industries."

When Mr. Soros comes to Washington next year, Democrats will be listening. If they don't, Moveon.org has some videos ready.

This man truly hates America as it is, and it wouldn't shock me at all to think he had a lot to do with the stock market's recent troubles. He is that sinister.

His ties to most of the current Dems in power are close and scary.
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Posted 10 November 2008 - 12:49 AM

I want to short a British Pound.

I took it in the ass in the Yen futures market back in 05 and am still writing off my losses.

Scary deal, that currency exchange.





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