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[houstontexan]

"we always play to win. i tell them to play to win."

-mike sherman


gotta say its when i see shit like that, i wonder if this guy's cut out for success. there have been a few things that have had me scratching my head, but throwing in the towel at the point wasn't exactly what i was wanting to see from a first year head coach in that situation.

[BQ_90]

I call it more of an NFL move. Like it or not, he new the game was over. IMO just didn't want to give tech the easy score. Even thought they got it.

IMO kicking field goals was the coaching mistake. Can't punt or kick FGs against tech, period.

[houstontexan]

the point is that his whole "play to win" stuff is complete shit and this isn't the NFL and w/ our D, that whole line of thinking is just horrible.

agree w/ the FGs. w/ tech and our D, you've got to make not to leave those 4 points on the field on a drive like that.

[BQ_90]

All I can say is he's the coach, and he'll be the coach next year. So we just have to eat the shit sandwich collectively.

I have some hope, only because I'm friends with one of next years recruits. They where at my tailgate yesterday and are fired up about next years class and the coaching staff.

Still I wonder if BB knew how bad this year was going to be would he have taken a chance with Sumlin or another young coach. I'd bet so. Most wouldn't be so down about the team. All this would be chalked up to new young staff, growing pains, etc.

[houstontexan]

oh, i agree...i mean these boards are for discussion. i'm not going to texags and starting threads on this shit but i wanted to vent here.

just seems like a horrible decision.

as long as we can keep this upcoming class together, i'll be happy w/ it.

i did see a ton saturday i liked. first time i've seen us really putting some hats on guys in a couple years.

what's your friend's name if you don't mind me asking....?

[BQ_90]

Dustin Harris. His Dad works for the same Agency I work for.

No shit, we are finally seeing some hitting and tackling from the defense.

I also wish we had a healthy OL. Those guys looked like they could barely walk at the end of the game.

We need a win bad, just to get some fucking positive shit going with these young guys.

Don't think we'll see Tannehill back at QB, he's going to be a damn good WR for us.

[Agent]

I almost jumped off the third deck when he punted that goddamn thing.

Fuck him for doing that. Fuck him all to hell for it. I've defended him a million times, but there's no defending a quitter.

[HeyMoe]

I don't understand why this is controversial. At that point in the game we had probably gained all of 30 yards the whole second half. We had probably punted 4 or 5 times in the second half and had been almost totally inept vs Tech's defense that half. Whatever adjustments tech had made at the half had worked. We also had a patchwork offensive line that hadn't been able to much of anything with tech's dline. The odds of us converting a 4th and 15 were very long. I think it makes perfect sense to punt to tech,(punting is one of the few things we do well), pin them around their 20 and hope that we can stop them ( a long shot I know but still probably a better bet than 4th and 15) or maybe get a turnover (tech had three the first half I think.) Then we get a short field, some points and can maybe get back in it. At the very least we make tech go the length of the field rather that give them the ball at midfield. Of course tech went right down the field anyway.

I was no supporter of the Sherman hire, but I am starting to be at least a little more optimistic than I was 30 days ago. I think the criticism of him in this particular instance is unwarranted. Perhaps it's the result of 5 years of Fran making calls similar to that one that has everyone a little touchy. I don't think Sherman quit at all.

Edited by HeyMoe, 19 October 2008 - 09:35 PM.

[houstontexan]

you don't see why punting from your opponents 40 down 11 w/ 5 min left would be considered quitting?

honestly?

[houstontexan]

The odds of us converting a 4th and 15 were very long.

longer than the odds of holding tech, getting the ball back and scoring two TDs in 5 min?

honestly, sherman quit. that was some serious fucking bullshit and he lost a ton of respect from quite a few people.

[HeyMoe]

you don't see why punting from your opponents 40 down 11 w/ 5 min left would be considered quitting?

honestly?

Yeah. 4th and 1or 2? Ok, go for it. 4th and 15? No.

[Techsan]

Sherman made some very Fran-like calls yesterday.

[surf]

butch davis made some very Fran-like calls yesterday.

according to the tarheel fans at work fify

[houstontexan]

Yeah. 4th and 1or 2? Ok, go for it. 4th and 15? No.

you honestly think that the odds were better of punting, holding tech for four downs, getting the ball back, going on a scoring drive, onside kicking, another scoring drive all in under 5 min?

again, there's no doubt which is more likely and which was the correct decision. sherman quit.

[surf]

i think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't deal. punt: shoulda went for it. go for it and fail: shoulda punted. had he gotten it though he would have been hailed as a kick ass coach but there still would be people bitching about him going for it at that time. the way the offense was struggling in the 2nd half, i think the odds of them making it were pretty small

[BohunkAg]

Dustin Harris. His Dad works for the same Agency I work for.

No shit, we are finally seeing some hitting and tackling from the defense.

I also wish we had a healthy OL. Those guys looked like they could barely walk at the end of the game.

We need a win bad, just to get some fucking positive shit going with these young guys.

Don't think we'll see Tannehill back at QB, he's going to be a damn good WR for us.

All this shit is true, and I'm excited about all of that and was pretty fired up that our OL played their balls off. The defense was tackling like their life depended on it. First time we've seen that against Tech in at least 6-7 years. Missed tackles didn't cause that loss. With Fran/Darnell/Torbush coaching that game, the score is 63-14 or some shit like that.

That being said, it was a gutless decision to punt. Gutless football.

Edited by BohunkAg, 20 October 2008 - 01:12 PM.

[houstontexan]

surf, you're NEVER damned if you go for it.

put the ball up, take a chance on getting the catch or a PI.

our chances of converting that 4th were EXPONENTIALLY greater than holding tech, getting the ball back and putting up ONE TD in 5 min. factor in we needed 2 scores and its a no-brainer...literally.

i'm w/ bohunk and agent and the more i think it the more it gets on my nerves.

[Timmy Chang]

"we always play to win. i tell them to play to win."

-mike sherman
gotta say its when i see shit like that, i wonder if this guy's cut out for success. there have been a few things that have had me scratching my head, but throwing in the towel at the point wasn't exactly what i was wanting to see from a first year head coach in that situation.

I don't necessarily believe he was "throwing in the towel" as much as I believe the corpulant bitch is that fucking retarded. Given what had transpired the entire game, it was a statistical certainty that tech would march 60, 70, 80, 90 or even 99 yards to break one off in our shit once again. To think otherwise is idiocy. Maybe there was only a 1% chance we would convert a 4th and 15, that 1% is greater than 1 minus the odds that tech would score.

If any of you read TMQ (back when he was worth a damn several years ago), the man has been vehemently advocating more of a leach-esque approach to fourth down. I think he did a quick and dirty statistical analysis that said if you face a fourth and 1 four times and punt all four times, your opponent would score one more time than they otherwise would have, yet if you went for it all four times you will have. This type of shit is why i feared the nfl hire. There is absolutely no creativity or ingenuity in the nfl. It's a league set up to be on a level playing field, thus victory is mostly dependent on executing plays. Conservatism is rewarded.

And a brief leach-4th-down related story: Former tech OC, Dana Holgorsen (UH hired him away from tech, snicker), was being interviewd on 1560 in houston, and he stated that leach told him to go for it on about 90% of fourth downs. Dana essentially cockblocked him from his own insanity by talking him out of it about 60% of the time. Things will get interesting now that leach is left all alone without his anchor to reality. SEE: 4th and 5 at their own 36 with less than five minutes left in a TIE game with nebraska. This is yet another reason why mike leach is a badass.

[Thethreeyardout]

If any of you read TMQ (back when he was worth a damn several years ago), the man has been vehemently advocating more of a leach-esque approach to fourth down. I think he did a quick and dirty statistical analysis that said if you face a fourth and 1 four times and punt all four times, your opponent would score one more time than they otherwise would have, yet if you went for it all four times you will have. This type of shit is why i feared the nfl hire. There is absolutely no creativity or ingenuity in the nfl. It's a league set up to be on a level playing field, thus victory is mostly dependent on executing plays. Conservatism is rewarded.
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that's a pretty good point.

[Timmy Chang]

that's a pretty good point.

Thank you.

[Sooner Born]

Get a room.

[Sooner Born]

Great article on the punt and the points Chang brought up...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/557921.html